I've been using the phrase "post mk-ultra" as the framework I use to analyze history.
We need to accept mind control efforts were real AND fruitful.
Also, my grandfather was young in his 20s working at the Sears in Dallas when he met Ruby there. Ruby asked him to checkout his club, and apparently my grandma said hell no.
Grandpa grew up in Cuba, great grandpa was a missionary there, and was more than right leaning. Kinda makes me wonder if grandpa mighty been first pick Patsy....ironically, grandpa's second wife's name was Patsy.
Useful book, we enjoyed it. Unfortunately Kinzer parrots the “MKULTRA didn’t work!” canard. When confronted w evidence to the contrary, he dipped. (For which see Part 2’s footnotes.)
Yet, unlike most people, who destroy documents in order to keep them away from wandering eyes, Richard Helms elected to protect us from witnessing total failure... such a noble gesture.
I thought Gottlieb's real name was Josef Schneider, not Victor. He had once worked as a chemist for IG Farben before coming to America and getting a new identity as a Bronx Jew. And speech therapy for his accent. In past lives he had been a poisoner for European royalty.
Can you help me out? What is the source material evidence for Jolly meeting with Timmy McVeigh? I know painting claims it, what is her evidence for it?
Sure. Painting never 'claims' anything, though. That's what makes her unique: every single thing she ever said is substantiated. All of which means even though she couldn't get Jolyon/Timmy on record, her account (Jones team lawyer making her shut the tape recorder off, then told her) ain't just whistlin Dixie.
Thank you for sharing that link. I just read that in your part 2 of the series. I am very interested in this story and will tug on the string. I wasn't being derogatory with the world "claim". It is her claim that in the interview, when the recording was off, the Jones team lawyer said "I just don't get why they kept bringing him in" or something to that effect. Because there is nothing but Dr Painting's account of what he said and what it meant, that makes it a claim. That doesn't mean it isn't true.
"Back home in Indianapolis, Eli Lilly & Company was even then working on a process to synthesize LSD. ...in 1953 [C I A officials] asked Lilly executives to make them up a batch... in 1954...TSS officials soon sent a memo to Allen Dulles, explaining that the Lilly discovery was important because the government henceforth could buy LSD in 'tonnage quantities,' which made it a potential chemical-warfare agent."
- John Marks, The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, p. 57 & passim.
"Susan Donaldson, a professor of psychology at the University of Southern Indiana who has interviewed all the children, agrees. Initially skeptical, she said that after interviewing all the children and seeing faint, nearly identical scars on their arms, she now believes them. 'Something happened to those children,' she said." https://archive.is/ieIcx
Dr Ewen at McGill in Canada. I highly recommend her. Stack is called Welcome to Absurdistan. She describes how her brilliant and beautiful mom was ruined by this psycho. She's been a guest on Wm Kunstlers and James Delingpole's podcasts.
(Faust_flag, if you're out there - this one's for you, brother. Nobody puts MKULTRA in a corner!)
I've been using the phrase "post mk-ultra" as the framework I use to analyze history.
We need to accept mind control efforts were real AND fruitful.
Also, my grandfather was young in his 20s working at the Sears in Dallas when he met Ruby there. Ruby asked him to checkout his club, and apparently my grandma said hell no.
Grandpa grew up in Cuba, great grandpa was a missionary there, and was more than right leaning. Kinda makes me wonder if grandpa mighty been first pick Patsy....ironically, grandpa's second wife's name was Patsy.
Put a big ol' strike mark thru 'post' MKULTRA. Mind-control ops never stopped. We're communicating on one right now.
‘Poisoner In Chief’ is an excellent book about Gottlieb.
Useful book, we enjoyed it. Unfortunately Kinzer parrots the “MKULTRA didn’t work!” canard. When confronted w evidence to the contrary, he dipped. (For which see Part 2’s footnotes.)
Yet, unlike most people, who destroy documents in order to keep them away from wandering eyes, Richard Helms elected to protect us from witnessing total failure... such a noble gesture.
Straight shooter with upper management written all over ‘im!
I thought Gottlieb's real name was Josef Schneider, not Victor. He had once worked as a chemist for IG Farben before coming to America and getting a new identity as a Bronx Jew. And speech therapy for his accent. In past lives he had been a poisoner for European royalty.
found the OG Sandoz LSD plug
What did you think of “Chaos” by Tom O’Neill?
Footnote 14. https://swordandtheneck.substack.com/p/we-found-the-mkultra-holy-grail#footnote-anchor-14-143207509
Can you help me out? What is the source material evidence for Jolly meeting with Timmy McVeigh? I know painting claims it, what is her evidence for it?
Sure. Painting never 'claims' anything, though. That's what makes her unique: every single thing she ever said is substantiated. All of which means even though she couldn't get Jolyon/Timmy on record, her account (Jones team lawyer making her shut the tape recorder off, then told her) ain't just whistlin Dixie.
Interview where she goes over it is linked in the joint. Direct link here: https://podtail.com/podcast/programmed-to-chill/unlocked-bonus-episode-39-the-secret-lives-of-timo/
Thank you for sharing that link. I just read that in your part 2 of the series. I am very interested in this story and will tug on the string. I wasn't being derogatory with the world "claim". It is her claim that in the interview, when the recording was off, the Jones team lawyer said "I just don't get why they kept bringing him in" or something to that effect. Because there is nothing but Dr Painting's account of what he said and what it meant, that makes it a claim. That doesn't mean it isn't true.
Nah. Good luck researching ULTRA.
They used a mix of lsd, hypnosis, electroshock, and trauma based mind control on us in 70s and 80s mk ultra programs
Wowzers that was a burner! OHS33.com to sooth all your anxiety. Organic guaranteed.
I wanted to get to the information in this essay but I couldn’t tolerate the cool-guy lingo schtick long enough to get through it. Pass
Oh no oh fuck what will we ever do without u
I'm curious about the comment regarding Indiana.
"Back home in Indianapolis, Eli Lilly & Company was even then working on a process to synthesize LSD. ...in 1953 [C I A officials] asked Lilly executives to make them up a batch... in 1954...TSS officials soon sent a memo to Allen Dulles, explaining that the Lilly discovery was important because the government henceforth could buy LSD in 'tonnage quantities,' which made it a potential chemical-warfare agent."
- John Marks, The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, p. 57 & passim.
"Susan Donaldson, a professor of psychology at the University of Southern Indiana who has interviewed all the children, agrees. Initially skeptical, she said that after interviewing all the children and seeing faint, nearly identical scars on their arms, she now believes them. 'Something happened to those children,' she said." https://archive.is/ieIcx
https://historyheist.com/a-dozen-children-in-evansville-in-claimed-to-be-abused-in-satanic-rituals-at-the-same-blue-house-after-being-taken-from-school-but-police-are-denied-warrant-case-closed/ (Think second one is a RW Christian outlet, but they cover it pretty thoroughly.)
Indiana (I was born there) appears to be at the beginning, middle and end of some really bad actions:
Dan Mitrione
Jim Jones
Gibault Boys School
Charles Manson attended Gibault
Eli Lily is based in Indianapolis
Timothy McVeigh took his last crap in Terre Haute
John Dellinger
Jimmy Hoffa
Jared Fogel ate his first tuna sandwich in Indianapolis
Axel Rose honed his vocals at W. Lafayette
Not a huge “A” list but for a state that views a breaded pork tenderloin sandwich as the cornerstone of a healthy lifestyle, its notable
No, it’s crazy. The old Programmed 2 Chill podcast called it “Sus Indiana” for good reason. Don’t forget the blue house!
@elizabeth nickson
Seen this…?
I'm so confused.....
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Elizabeth Nickson (great substacker) had a mom who was an mk victim. I assume thats what
No shit! Do we happen to know by which practitioner/which subproject?
Dr Ewen at McGill in Canada. I highly recommend her. Stack is called Welcome to Absurdistan. She describes how her brilliant and beautiful mom was ruined by this psycho. She's been a guest on Wm Kunstlers and James Delingpole's podcasts.
Sorry, Ewen Cameron at McGill U. Sadist.
Exactly who I hoped you wouldn’t say. Even by MK standards, Cameron was a freak.
Ewen Cameron was a sociopath sadistic predator, he makes Jolly/Gottlieb look like Mister Rogers on anti-depressants.